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Ellen Turner Bravo

Ellen Turner Bravo

Female Est 1848 - Bef 1881  (~ 32 years)

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  • Name Ellen Turner Bravo  [1
    Born Est 1848  St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • 1871 census
    Gender Female 
    Other Names "Nellie" - Turner is birth name, Bravo is from her step-father and by which she was known 
    Census 30 Mar 1851  2 Le Geyt St, St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Census 7 Apr 1861  17 Endsleigh St, St Pancras, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Census 2 Apr 1871  2a Lancaster Gate, Paddington, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    Died Bef 1881 
    • based on absence from 1881 census
    Notes 
    • Referred to as Nellie in Yseult Bridges' book. Allegedly confined to an institution but staying with aunt Emily Royes-Bell in 1861 census (birth place St Helier, Jersey) and with Joseph and Mary Bravo in 1871 census (birth place Jersey).

      There is an entry in the 1851 Channel Islands Census for St Helier that is curious:
      Ellen Turner, aged 2, born St Helier, visitor with William (29 - labourer) and Sarah (33 - home duties) Halmen, Margaret Halmen (66 - mother of William, formerly laundress), children William (6) and John (4). Four families share the one address.

      NOTE: There are many Turners in Jersey, but we do know that "our" Ellen was born in Jersey from census records so if this is "our" Ellen Turner...
      Speculation:
      1. Is this about the time that Charles is dying and the Halmens were either friends of the Turners or were paid by them to care for Ellen? OR
      2. Was Ellen not so much "a helpless imbecile" (Yseult Bridges p 55) as, say, Downs Syndrome, (and rejected by her mother?) OR
      3. Mary went to visit her brother in Jamaica after the death of husband Charles, taking the two oldest children but leaving Ellen in care on the basis that it was not possible to take her on such a journey?
      [3]
    Person ID I1732  Roy~Royes | Hougham, Mordaunt, Royes, Jamaican Royes
    Last Modified 26 Sep 2010 

    Father Charles Augustus Turner
              b. Est 1826, Jersey, Channel Islands Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. Between 1848 and 1853  (Age ~ 22 years) 
    Mother Mary Hougham Royes
              b. Bef 2 Sep 1824, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. 16 Jul 1877, 2 Palace Green, Kensington, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 52 years) 
    Married Est 1844 
    • based on birth of first child
    Notes 
    • There has been some speculation that the children were born in Jamaica and that Augustus died there. Census returns indicate that the children were born in London and Isle of Jersey which suggests the marriage took place in one of those placeses. (The family of Charles Augustus Turner were in St Helier in 1841 and his father was born there abt 1796 - all the children were born there.) If Charles and Mary did go to Jamaica and he died there this would have to have been between 1849 and 1854 (conception of Ellen and marriage of Mary to Joseph Bravo). See notes on Joseph.
    Documents
    Chipman McGuire Family Tree
    Chipman McGuire Family Tree
    "Miss Royes" is Mary Hougham Royes
    Overviews
    1824 ROYES TURNER BRAVO Mary Hougham
    1824 ROYES TURNER BRAVO Mary Hougham
    Mary Hougham Royes married Augustus Turner in either London or the Isle of Jersey. She subsequently married Joseph Bravo in Jamaica and the family moved to London in the 1860s. The children used their step-father's surname.
    Family ID F834  Family Group  |  Family Chart

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBorn - Est 1848 - St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsCensus - 30 Mar 1851 - 2 Le Geyt St, St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsCensus - 7 Apr 1861 - 17 Endsleigh St, St Pancras, London, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsCensus - 2 Apr 1871 - 2a Lancaster Gate, Paddington, London, England Link to Google Earth
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  • Sources 
    1. [S23] Brodnax Moore, Proposed Change: Mary Hougham Royes (Turner) (Bravo).

    2. [S91] Ancestry.com  (Ancestry.com), 1871 England Census RG10; Piece: 25; Folio: 85; Page: 30; GSU roll: 838755.

    3. [S26] Yseult Bridges, How Charles Bravo Died  (Jarrolds, London: 1956).